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Dec 21, 2012 07:12 AM | jo archer
robust and model II regression
Dear experts,
I have three questions relating to BPM and would be really grateful for any input for any of the questions:
1. Please could you explain to me the benefits/costs of using model II regression over robust regression? Or do you know where I could find an answer to that question which is accessible to someone with little mathematical understanding.
2. If I choose to use robust regression, does anyone have any recommendations about which method to choose?
3. In the regression contrast manager, when picking a T contrast, the mean comes up in the contrast window. I have not been selecting this. But what is it the mean of?
My apologies if these are naive questions.
Many thanks for your help,
with best wishes
jo
I have three questions relating to BPM and would be really grateful for any input for any of the questions:
1. Please could you explain to me the benefits/costs of using model II regression over robust regression? Or do you know where I could find an answer to that question which is accessible to someone with little mathematical understanding.
2. If I choose to use robust regression, does anyone have any recommendations about which method to choose?
3. In the regression contrast manager, when picking a T contrast, the mean comes up in the contrast window. I have not been selecting this. But what is it the mean of?
My apologies if these are naive questions.
Many thanks for your help,
with best wishes
jo
Dec 21, 2012 03:12 PM | Bennett Landman
RE: robust and model II regression
Originally posted by jo archer:
1. Wilcox, R.R., How many discoveries have been lost by ignoring modern statistical methods? American Psychologist, 1998. 53(3): p. 300-314.
Our papers have the technical details of rBPM, BnPM, etc..
2. If I choose to use robust regression, does anyone have any recommendations about which method to choose?
If our models are appropriate, then I would use them. To quote
Tukey: "just which robust/resistant methods you use is not
important—what is important is that you use some."
Happy holidays,
bl
Dear experts,
I have three questions relating to BPM and would be really grateful for any input for any of the questions:
1. Please could you explain to me the benefits/costs of using model II regression over robust regression? Or do you know where I could find an answer to that question which is accessible to someone with little mathematical understanding.
I like this paper by Wilcox:I have three questions relating to BPM and would be really grateful for any input for any of the questions:
1. Please could you explain to me the benefits/costs of using model II regression over robust regression? Or do you know where I could find an answer to that question which is accessible to someone with little mathematical understanding.
1. Wilcox, R.R., How many discoveries have been lost by ignoring modern statistical methods? American Psychologist, 1998. 53(3): p. 300-314.
Our papers have the technical details of rBPM, BnPM, etc..
2. If I choose to use robust regression, does anyone have any recommendations about which method to choose?
3. In the regression contrast manager, when
picking a T contrast, the mean comes up in the contrast
window. I have not been selecting this. But what is it
the mean of?
Is this questions specific to rBPM? I am not exactly sure how you
are setting up your design matrix.Perhaps you could ask again while
providing a bit more detail.My apologies if these are naive questions.
Many thanks for your help,
with best wishes
jo
Many thanks for your help,
with best wishes
jo
Happy holidays,
bl
Dec 27, 2012 05:12 AM | jo archer
RE: robust and model II regression
Thank you for your reply. That is most helpful and has help
me make my decision.
In answer to your question regarding the design matrix. I am using BPM Extended and carrying out parametric regression. Task related fMRI is the dependent modality, then I have one imaging covariate (grey matter probability map - GM) and one non imaging covariate (age). The design matrix gives three parameters [mean age GM]. I suspect there is rarely cause to include the mean when specifying the contrast, but am interested in clarifying what the mean is the mean of and if we would ever need to include it in the model (the mean is not included in the manual example for rBPM, p4). I hope this makes things clearer, I would be most grateful for your input.
Thanks again for your quick and helpful response.
With best wishes,
jo
In answer to your question regarding the design matrix. I am using BPM Extended and carrying out parametric regression. Task related fMRI is the dependent modality, then I have one imaging covariate (grey matter probability map - GM) and one non imaging covariate (age). The design matrix gives three parameters [mean age GM]. I suspect there is rarely cause to include the mean when specifying the contrast, but am interested in clarifying what the mean is the mean of and if we would ever need to include it in the model (the mean is not included in the manual example for rBPM, p4). I hope this makes things clearer, I would be most grateful for your input.
Thanks again for your quick and helpful response.
With best wishes,
jo
Dec 28, 2012 10:12 PM | Bennett Landman
RE: robust and model II regression
Hi Jo,
Thank you for your interest in our toolbox. The mean and other covariates thereis used to show you the column of the design matrix. The mean column issimilar to the white column in the spm design matrix, which is all ones.Usually we are not interested in the mean which is the hyper plane of theregression. But we need to set a zero contrast to the mean column.
Thanks,
Xue
Thank you for your interest in our toolbox. The mean and other covariates thereis used to show you the column of the design matrix. The mean column issimilar to the white column in the spm design matrix, which is all ones.Usually we are not interested in the mean which is the hyper plane of theregression. But we need to set a zero contrast to the mean column.
Thanks,
Xue