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May 31, 2022 08:05 AM | Till Langhammer - Humboldt University Berlin
RE: Second level design for transdiagnostic commonalities and differences?!
Originally posted by Alfonso Nieto-Castanon:
Hey Alfonso,
thanks for the help. It is more than appeciated!!!I Highlighed a section I am interested in. I can easily calculate the two F-tests but don't know how to combine them? Can you give a short hint?
Greetings from Berlin
Till
Hi Till,
Yes, definitely, there are of course a lot of good theoretical reasons to want to better understand transdiagnostic commonalities and differences, going beyond simpler patient-control comparisons. But even purely from a methodological perspective, focusing only on patient-HC differences has the inherent risk of overinterpreting any differences between the result across different patient groups (e.g. say, any differences between the "Panic-HC" results and the "Social Phobia-HC" results may or may not reflect true "Panic - Social Phobia" differences, and there is no way to know that other than directly testing that inter-patient contrast). In general, while differences between the patient groups can be directly tested using a standard ANOVA design (e.g. evaluating "any differences" between the groups with a [-1 1 0; 0 -1 1] contrast), or by using correlation analyses across meaningful behavioral dimensions, evaluating "commonalities" is always bit more ambiguous. One approach, for example, is to combine an F-test that looks at 'any effects' across the patient groups (i.e. a [1 0 0;0 1 0;0 0 1] contrast), and then use an exclusive intersection of those results with the previous "any differences" contrast in order to find region where there is a significant effect in at least one of the patient groups, and where at the same time there are no significant differences between the three patient groups. Of course another simpler/common approach is to evaluate common effects by averaging across the three groups (e.g. using a [1/3 1/3 1/3] contrast across the patient groups). Other approaches include data-driven clustering to try to identify similar sub-groups across all patients, evaluating then the association between the resulting clusters and the diagnostic categories, and similar strategies.
Hope this helps
Alfonso
Yes, definitely, there are of course a lot of good theoretical reasons to want to better understand transdiagnostic commonalities and differences, going beyond simpler patient-control comparisons. But even purely from a methodological perspective, focusing only on patient-HC differences has the inherent risk of overinterpreting any differences between the result across different patient groups (e.g. say, any differences between the "Panic-HC" results and the "Social Phobia-HC" results may or may not reflect true "Panic - Social Phobia" differences, and there is no way to know that other than directly testing that inter-patient contrast). In general, while differences between the patient groups can be directly tested using a standard ANOVA design (e.g. evaluating "any differences" between the groups with a [-1 1 0; 0 -1 1] contrast), or by using correlation analyses across meaningful behavioral dimensions, evaluating "commonalities" is always bit more ambiguous. One approach, for example, is to combine an F-test that looks at 'any effects' across the patient groups (i.e. a [1 0 0;0 1 0;0 0 1] contrast), and then use an exclusive intersection of those results with the previous "any differences" contrast in order to find region where there is a significant effect in at least one of the patient groups, and where at the same time there are no significant differences between the three patient groups. Of course another simpler/common approach is to evaluate common effects by averaging across the three groups (e.g. using a [1/3 1/3 1/3] contrast across the patient groups). Other approaches include data-driven clustering to try to identify similar sub-groups across all patients, evaluating then the association between the resulting clusters and the diagnostic categories, and similar strategies.
Hope this helps
Alfonso
Hey Alfonso,
thanks for the help. It is more than appeciated!!!I Highlighed a section I am interested in. I can easily calculate the two F-tests but don't know how to combine them? Can you give a short hint?
Greetings from Berlin
Till
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