help > RE: Subnetwork from dNBS not a subset of significant edges from edge-wise Welch's t-test
Sep 12, 2023  10:09 AM | Rahul Biswas - University of Washington, Seattle
RE: Subnetwork from dNBS not a subset of significant edges from edge-wise Welch's t-test

Hi Andrew,


Thanks for your answer. Just a quick follow-up with details on the sample size.


We have a sample size of 34 subjects in the diseased group and 41 subjects in the healthy group. May I double check, if you still think this is the same issue of sample size that you mentioned? By the way, I checked that t = 1.8 would have a right-sided p-value < 0.05 for t-distribution with df = 73. Perhaps the distribution of the t statistic computed by dNBS is different.


Indeed, for t = 2.5, the subnetwork has three edges, for which the edge-wise p-value of two edges are less than 0.05 and that of the third edge is 0.056. t = 3 did not yield any significant outcomes.


Thank you!


Best regards,
Rahul


Originally posted by Andrew Zalesky:



Hi Rahul, 


this is most likely due to your use of a lenient primary threshold (t=1.8). 


If the sample size is not sufficiently large, t=1.8 will not ensure that p<0.05 and thus it is unsurpising that several connections do not have p<0.05.


I recommend increasing the primary threshold. Perhaps try t=3.  


Andrew


 


Originally posted by Rahul Biswas:



Hi,


Thank you very much for this great tool. I have a question, as follows. 


I performed two analyses after obtaining subject-specific directed functional connectivity: 1) used dNBS with primary threshold 1.8, 10K permuations, and size based on extent, to obtain a subnetwork with lower strength in diseased group compared to healthy group at significance level 0.05. 2) obtained edge-wise p-values for lower strength in diseased group compared to healthy group using Welch's t-test for each edge in the directed functional connectivities. 


However, the subnetwork obtained in analysis 1 is not a subset of edges having edge-wise p-value less than 0.05 in analysis 2. Isn't this wierd? I would really appreciate an explanation.


Some more detail: Only two edges in the subnetwork in analysis 1 have edge-wise p-value less than 0.05 in edge-wise Welch's t-test (analysis 2).


Thank you very much for explaining this.


Best regards,
Rahul



 



 

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